Comment by makeitdouble

4 hours ago

TBF getting shoes on and off is literally 2s.

There's photos in the article, those aren't dress shoes with laces to be done and undone, they're fit for the purpose.

Also in cases where it's really dire they'll just step in with shoes on, it's just extremely rare and it might actually be another team altogether, operating under a different protocol.

> TBF getting shoes on and off is literally 2s.

What about when you're three people while carrying a person? According to the article, it can delay them by ~30 seconds and risk dislodging the oxygen mask, the linked video also demonstrates the difference: https://www.instagram.com/p/DbqGfGfox3f/

Might seem like a small difference, but add in a stressful situation with a person almost dying, maybe being in pain, and the emergency workers trying to keep calm while also suddenly not finding their shoes in the position they purposefully left them, and suddenly the difference might be much large and also impactful.

  • I'd look at it from the lens of the situation near the door changing in unexpected ways.

    Like turning the thumblock, moving the bench, shoving other people's shoes in the way etc. There is a myriad of things the patient's family can do that result in 30s delays. Sure removing one specific potential cause could have value, but it might not be worth it considering the downsides (someone will have to deal with the mess, sometimes the lone elderly who's already in pain but not 30s from death either)

    I think too many people are focusing on the "emergency" part, when most of the interventions aren't about shoving off every second. Other commentators picked up on the ambulances rolling into intersections at a snail's pace while blasting their sirens full volume, because they care a lot more about secundary harm than reaching the hospital 10s earlier.

    • > (someone will have to deal with the mess, sometimes the lone elderly who's already in pain but not 30s from death either)

      What mess? They're taking off their shoes regardless, and there is no additional mess being created by the resident not reorganizing the shoes of the paramedics.

      There is no downsides here, just stop moving stuff around, pretty basic and no cost at all for stop doing so.

> TBF getting shoes on and off is literally 2s.

I bet you don't have children. 2s might be too late in an emergency.