Comment by brcmthrowaway

20 hours ago

This makes me very sad

If Qwen and other Chinese labs are just copying reasoning traces, then those labs are more than a year behind the frontier.

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levocardia  19 hours ago

It's been pretty obvious to me that the Chinese labs are operating mostly on a fast-follow strategy. The distillation attacks are well-documented, and there is good reason to believe they are able to copy architectural innovations as well. If US labs stagnate I would expect Chinese labs to stagnate as well. Their engineering is great, but in terms of frontier innovation (which requires heavy compute to search for new strategies that work at frontier scale) they are very far behind.

Daishiman  19 hours ago

The way I see it the Chinese labs are optimizing for other things, including effective compact models that don't need to run on top-of-the-line nVidia hardware.

atomicnumber3  20 hours ago

It makes me happy because it means that these misanthropic technofascists have no moat. They can spend trillions of dollars only for it to be largely copied in short order.

Even if they weren't political adversaries of freedom, I would still feel 0% bad given all their training is already on data they got for free.

Information continues to want to be free. To the benefit of us all.

  • vipa123  19 hours ago

    Preach brother, they stole everything on the internet, and beyond, to train their models. They thought all that information was free, and everyone a few months beyond them is just following their example.

    • polotics  19 hours ago

      They didn't actually steal in the sense that the information is still there on the internet.... About these shredded rare books, now we're talking.

      If I may propose instead of "steal" I think we could agree to write they "Aaron-Swartz'ed" the information from the internet, what do you think, is this too harsh on Sam Altman or Carmen Ortiz ?

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