Comment by bondarchuk
2 months ago
Crazy that this is about to be normalized. Can't help but think the discourse of "they already record everything anyway" of the past couple years (even in the absence of complete proof) has played a part.
2 months ago
Crazy that this is about to be normalized. Can't help but think the discourse of "they already record everything anyway" of the past couple years (even in the absence of complete proof) has played a part.
Never thought it would be Apple to normalize it either. I’ve been in the ecosystem because they have a proven track record of privacy and security and taking principled stands.
I’m sure the NSA is salivating at this and I don’t trust the current administration not to legislate back doors.
Terrible misstep from Apple from my perspective. This is their “they removed Don’t Be Evil from the website” moment for me.
There's been plenty of evidence that nothing is recorded or sent back, hardly "absence of complete proof". People have identified basically everything coming from the network stack of an iPhone.
This is already normalized in most modern office buildings. There are video and audio recording devices in virtually all common areas. This started a bit after private offices were done away with.
>There's been plenty of evidence that nothing is recorded or sent back, hardly "absence of complete proof".
You may have a different understanding of the word "complete" than the standard definition.
Unless you are claiming the verifiers kept the watches being tested under constant survellance for several years, the proof you are alluding to may only prove that it is not routinely sending or recording data. It does not prove they can't turn it on whenever they feel like it, or when obeying a time-limited and geofenced mass surveillance order.
I mean, anything with a microphone or camera (and some things without) can theoretically be used to listen to/record you at any given time for a myriad of reasons.
If you are worried about such a device being on your person, I think the easy solution is just not to wear or buy one.
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Uh sorry guys I phrased it weird I meant "complete absence of proof" more like.
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> People have identified basically everything coming from the network stack of an iPhone.
And there was me hoping it was sufficiently encrypted.
It is. When you have an unlocked device and developer certs you can do a lot.
> People have identified basically everything coming from the network stack of an iPhone.
Scary. Shouldn't it be encrypted?
Even if it is, the software on the device could theoretically do whatever it wants with the data before it's encrypted/uploaded, and if it's sent to Apple, they could do whatever they want with it too.
It is encrypted. When you can run software on a device with a developer cert you can do a lot.