Comment by manmal
3 hours ago
I work with Sol and Astra only in my daily work, and occasionally I check out Claude Code so I don't get completely out of touch.
I can't stand the way Opus is patronizing me as a user, and don't know how people put up with it. It uses language that I guess is supposed to instill confidence in what it says, and it just irks me, because I know the confidence is not justified. Just present me the facts or theories, without trying to convince me, is that so hard?
Claude's use of language is hideous at this point. It is verging on gibberish wrapped in important-sounding prose.
It's definitely worse and getting worse. I'm curious, do they not know this is happening, or not care? I struggle to believe people prefer the way it writes, which is becoming drastically different than its competitors.
I wonder if they’re training heavily on Claude generated content or conversation transcripts
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I don’t like how LLMs answer and as they are statistical machines I have found out that I need to check every text they produce. From the first sight everything seems cool. But it isn’t. :)
Exception is code that is so huge output you can’t read everything. But I have to try ponytail skill for coding that should shorten the output.
Fable 5.1 was explicitely supposed to improve that, I used it only a bit so far and it seems at least better.
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Big empty words are probably cheaper to produce than concise, information rich text of the same length.
Maybe the humans are suffering from model collapse, and don't notice it.
Agreed. The language consistently triggers visceral negative reactions from me at this point.
"Avoid use of "mannered" speech in your responses."
goes a long way for Opus and Fable.
The issue isn't the prompt you give it. The issue is that as context grows, Claude distributes it's "attention weight" over all that context, and quickly reaches the point of "missing" stuff.
You can give it any prompt in the world, but Claude's ability to remember that instruction quickly degrades the more you use it.
Yes, definitely load bearing.
Today, I asked Opus what it’s gibberish actually means. It started with (topic about signing implementation):
> This is your coat token, to my coat hanger in the opera.
On one hand - maybe yes??! On the other who the hell speaks like that and it’s so specific…
I’d expect Alice and Bob with locks or house keys. Is this infamous old book scanning (and destroying) affecting latest models?
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load-bearing!
Opus is the worst at it. Fable 5 still does it a little. Fable 5.1 is much improved, at least.
You have to use Fable or Opus 4.6 for tolerable language output.
Using Opus 4.7-5 is harmful to your health.
https://x.com/wolframs91/status/2090159644849353058?s=46
5 for sure is unbearable, 4.8 is a reasonable sweet spot, 4.6 tends to just agree with whatever I say.
But lately I haven't downgraded because 5 is so much better at tool use, so I just accept the cost of Fable for chatting and hope Opus 5.1 fixes this mess.
It's bad enough I stopped paying.
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