Comment by jeanbza
13 hours ago
My first language is Afrikaans, which is a somewhat niche language and hard to find teachers/conversation buddies outside South Africa. (I live in USA now)
I've been using Gemini to live chat in Afrikaans and do impromptu Afrikaans grammar lessons during my solo drives around town. It is phenomenal at speaking the language - like, it really shocks my family members when they hear it.
This is probably the most joy I get from any of my usages of LLMs/AIs. It's been really, really nice getting to speak my language regularly again. =)
So, I'm excited about this release and live chat getting better. I also hope the other frontier labs pick up niche languages like this as well so that I have more options.
Did this with shona.On the road trip we (3 human occupants) spoke to Gemini in ndebele, karanga, portuguese and ndau and have switch seamlessly to another lanuage like german without loosing the thread of the conversation. what impressed me was its ability to recognize the subtle dialects of shona being spoken, articulate its unncertainty, ask for clarification and carry on. when asked to speak those dialects it politely lamented it could not. when pushed it insisted and basically apologized in a technically correct but awefully pronounced sentence of the dialect before going back to english.
I have a similar experience using Gemini for quick Catalan translations for iOS apps given enough context.
I once asked it to summarize The Hobbit in Catalan to explain it to my daughter before sleep. I was expecting a lot of mistakes as I see regularly if I ask anything in my native language when using GPT or Claude, but it was surprisingly good. I was going just to kind of skim ahead and retell it my own way, but ended up almost saying it verbatim because it was good already.
She loves Zelda so I asked it to explain the story of Breath of The Wild keeping the original names, and to make it fun, etc.. I was surprised again. I did retell some bits in my own style and taste but it is very convincing.
I haven't tried Catalan on newer models like GTP-6 Astra or Fable tho. We have all these benchmarks based on software development, and AGI, etc.. but it would be cool to have some language benchmarks for different communities.
As I work in english and use them in english, I wonder if using LLMs in a different language to code renders a different result as well. Like, if some of these benchmarks were made in other languages, would the result be similar.
> As I work in english and use them in english, I wonder if using LLMs in a different language to code renders a different result as well. Like, if some of these benchmarks were made in other languages, would the result be similar.
I am not a Chinese speaker but my understanding is that all of the models have substantially different behavior in Chinese, to the degree that it's kind of like a second model. Would be interested in hearing more if anyone has direct experience.
Fwiw, it's been very easy to nudge Qwen 27B/35B to think in Chinese. No need for <think> prefills like "思考：" ("Think:") or such.
Relatedly, when chatting with frontier models about science education content design, I've found it very helpful to mix in Chinese education terms. In English, for example, NGSS is such a massive attractor, discussing nearby topics often yields NGSS "slop". And "estimation" (educational) in the US means one (dysfunctional:) thing, which similarly distracts. Perhaps if AIs become increasingly multilingual, but remain weak at deep conceptual reasoning, it may be fruitful to have multilingual thesauruses, to use language-associated cultural conceptual differences as a way to convey conceptual nuances with which LLMs otherwise struggle?
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I love Gemini in Google Maps for long drives. I start getting bored of music and podcasts and start grilling it with random questions I've always wondered about.
I do this too! Usually some idea in ML ...when I am driving I might suddenly remember what I was thinking about and then it is my personal podcast via Gemini-in-Maps. My only complaint is if you have follow up questions, you have to be quick, otherwise it cuts off the mic.
I feel like a 10 year old all over again with my frequency of questions.
How did the early Roman Empire interact with Greek city states?
How are LLMs planning on learning new information on the fly without new context or retraining runs?
Why did mom leave?
You know, standard stuff.
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In Maps? Or is it Android Auto? I have Google built it. When I push the button on steering wheel I hardly know which layer I'm talking to.
Really? I am in Android Auto and I try to even just ask it to get me to "Costco Near Me". I know where it is. I wanna know if the sometimes there traffic jam that blocks the right lane is gonna expect me or not without being distracted zooming out from current location and then back in to the highway exit I know is prone to that at times. You know, I wanna be a good citizen and not be distracted by looking even a second at the screen I'm zooming around in.
It tells me there's a Costco 10km from me and I'm like, yeah let's go there, that's the one I meant! And then it sends me to one that's like 40 minutes from me all across town and I'm like WTF?!
Never mind asking Android Auto any question that's not driving related. It just doesn't understand me at all. Or even some driving related ones. "Find Alternative route". "Sorry, I can't help you with that". WTF?
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I do the same for improving my English skills. It's amazing!
Every drive
Yeah Gemini has been consistently better than open ai's chat in icelandic, but I would still say it's far from passable as natural sounding. Lots of grammar errors and the pronunciation sounds like a non native speaker.
Makes sense as the origin of LLMs was Google’s work on language translation.
My father-in-law was saying the same thing about Gemini 12 months ago regarding the Afrikaans speech. I've tried a few of them in my studies but none of them could seem to switch between English/Afrikaans except Gemini. It's an interesting time to be a language learner
As jy wil, ons kan saam praat op Discord :) maar my Afrikaans is sleg
As a Dutch person i find Afrikaans always interesting whenever i happen to encounter it in the wild. As if a common ancestor took a very different evolutionary path.
Given that Dutch is the ancestor here (not that Dutch hasn't changed since the split), I wouldn't call it "as if".
I've been building a language learning app which uses AI voice chat to let people practice. Would that be something interesting for you to try out? It's all still rough, but we've been learning Japanese with it and its pretty cool.
Ai pitch accent is not correct with most TTS systems for Japanese. I’ve tried many.
I want to, I have like a 2000+ day streak on Duolingo and I know I can only gain fluency once I start speaking it more.
We (me and my teens) used Duolingo for a few years and.. didn't really get that far in actually being able to speak. It's kind of mind-blowing that they are the market leaders. In retrospect, I think of it more like an addictive language game and not really a good way to actually learn to speak.
If you're really interested, shoot me an email.
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It’s literally translation technology told to guess what’s most likely next instead of translate what it was given.
It makes total sense it’s good at regurgitating the edge cases of language.
for me the live mode in androids google translate app has been as close as it gets to perfect for traveling cannot believe it is a free service after trying so many others
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