Comment by reddalo
1 month ago
Exactly. That's why I'll never use passkeys: they're just another way to force us into a commercial walled garden.
Passwords with 2FA are simply better and more freedom friendly.
1 month ago
Exactly. That's why I'll never use passkeys: they're just another way to force us into a commercial walled garden.
Passwords with 2FA are simply better and more freedom friendly.
I store my passkeys in KeePassXC and I have absolutely no feeling of being walled into any garden, personally.
but what do passkeys offer in terms of security, when stored in password managers, compared to having a (password manager) generated password and a totp?
I believe that by allowing password managers to store passkeys, the whole purpose of "device based security" got lost..
They are 100% immune to credentials phishing. You literally cannot authenticate to an impersonator site based on cryptographic guarantees.
And yes, I know the happy path of password managers uses host-based autofill which does add some friction to phishing attempts, but given the prevalence of unexpected but legitimate urls with weird alternate subdomains/SSO/redirects in modern login flows, you have to manually autofill/add an exception often enough that it's possible to let your guard down once at the wrong time.
Yes. I use hardware based passkeys and absolutely love them. I think it was a giant mistake having them 'software' based. It some ways it kind of defeats the entire purpose...
Wait until websites start demanding device-bound/attested passkeys. Big tech just needs to get enough adoption to make this change.
Nobody is going to do this because Apple’s devices don’t support this for the Passwords app out of the box, by design.
As much as I hate to admit it (because I love passkeys UX), but I do think that device-bound/attested passkeys are going to happen in the future :(
UPD: oh, heck, attested passkeys are actually already in the protocol. Why can't we just have nice things?
I just bought a passkey... It's a USB device, completely separate from any big conglomerates.
But then you need to phisically carry it along with you everywhere you go, if you want to log into a service :/
Yes, it’s like a key. :)
Though realistically I use a passkey for services I care about and a password manager for the rest.
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That's not the problem for me - I carry a bunch of tokens with me anyway (all my banking stuff is on hardware tokens, for example). My problem is more: My browsers run in containers or VMs, intentionally without hardware access. Getting passkeys to work there would be quite a bit of effort.
And hope you don't lose it, or leave it in a pocket when you do the laundry, or plug it into a faulty USB port that zaps it, etc.
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How do you see passkeys as a walled garden but not 2FA? You presumably store your 2FA seed in a password manager.
I can write my own authenticator implementation in a few hours by hand, maybe 5 minutes vibe coded. https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6238/
Even if you throw your phone into a volcano and buy a new one, you can still receive SMS verification.
KeePassXC supports passkeys
Passwords can move between walled gardens generally very easily (export) or manually in all cases (enter by hand).
Passkeys only very recently got relatively broad support for migrating data (after years of promise and no support at all), and they report (optionally with hardware attestation) what password manager you're using so sites can force specific ones.