Comment by ocd
15 hours ago
I just want BlackBerry back.
Every single time one of these new "minimal", "dumb", "lightweight" phones comes up today it's just marketing wrapped around a kneecapped Android device. I am in the market for something simpler that does nothing more or little else than play local media/audio, read common document/text formats, ordinary SMS, current standard of telephony, and a different OS than Android. I have not seen anything like this yet.
The problem is everyone has a different list of deal breakers that they need in a "dumb" device. It starts off simple, such as calls and texts, but some people want to play music, or get directions from maps, or maybe contact relatives with Whatsapp... Eventually you just end up with a smart phone.
Ideally everyone would just have the discipline to just keep what they need on their phone without trying to fix their problem with an overpriced gimmick that they will give up on after a few months.
Those people don’t actually want a dumb phone. They just don’t want to be spied on. That’s not actually that complicated it just makes other people less rich.
Yes! Also be in control of my phone, not having to "deactivate" bloat and garbage brought to me with every update and preinstalled trash I can only "deactivate" not uninstall.
I do want a smartphone - just not one that is in full control of corporations considering me not really a customer, but an asset for their main business - advertisement. Or well the alternative, a company that thinks I am too stupid to be in charge of my phone (and also introduces more and more advertisement).
That seems excessive. In many parts of the world, WhatsApp is the default app for texting people (ie the one you use to contact a plumber or a restaurant) and not having it means the phone fails at its most basic requirements.
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> Every single time one of these new "minimal", "dumb", "lightweight" phones comes up today it's just marketing wrapped around a kneecapped Android device.
Except the Commodore Callback[1], which is based on Linux (SailfishOS). It's pretty minimal and should meet your requirements, in theory.
[1] https://commodore.net/callback/
I spent way, way, way too much time at that site (Partly because it’s a 1990s GeoCities mess).
Compelling, but still wanting a Nokia 33xx brick recall.
Same, the marketing absolutely got me.
The size of this thing really puts me off. It’s like two iPhone minis stacked on top of each other, which seems massive for a flip phone.
Fun Blackberry trivia:
For a while Research in Motion (RIM) / Blackberry had a hiring website at https://rim.jobs , until somebody told them what it meant.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=%22rim.jo...
It was a 302 redirect to http://www.rim.com/careers/ around 2008-2010, according to the Wayback Machine. It could have been around for longer unarchived, of course.
.jobs was introduced in 2005, so not by much. Honestly, I'm surprised it's that old. Thought it was part of the new gTLDs.
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Ugh.
Tcl (programming language) has a fantastic test suite, but building a test or throwaway script with the name “test.tcl” is discouraged.
For a lot of people there's one app that is a non-negotiable, even for a minimalist phone.
For instance: their bank, or 2 factor for their work. Or a parking app for their building. Society now often assumes you can use an app.
It's hard to cover those cases without using one of the two major OSes.
What's the advantage of blackberry over a stripped-down/limited android?
Sounds great until you're required to install an app to pay for parking.
How do people without smartphones pay for parking?
We don't, and sadly accept the cost of our principles. What I generally do, is to put on the blinken lights, and try to hurry up. Up to about 20 minutes or so, it generally works alright.
probably because in these days it's hard to get by without some apps like maps, common messengers, delivery, bank transactions and so on
Agreed. Banking is the killer app imo
Switch to a bank that has a website.
If they can't do online banking in 2026 your bank might actually just be some guy in a monopoly man Halloween costume.
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For what purpose? If you have a debit card, cash app, etc., what urgent need is there for a banking application?
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In Australia it's pretty great: my driver's license can be provided by an app on my phone and legally must be accepted if it is. So between that and NFC payment support, a phone is the only thing I need to remember to operate outside the house.
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This basically collapses to “a different OS than Android.”
The question is why you care about that.
Pinephone and Librem 5 fit. Surprised you said BlackBerry without physical keyboard.
Pinephone is close to useless. Fairphone 5 I think is as good as it gets if you want to avoid android. It is annoying though that fairphone 6 is not working with linux.
Oh man, remember the BlackBerry 950?
Nope
I’d add payment and maps and ability to login government sites or banks and connecting to your car… we are being very efficiently locked in.
Blackberry is dead. Ibjust wantlinux on phones to gwt to passable level on modern hardware. I can take it from there.
Sending messages with BBM?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBM_(software)
Here you go:
https://lilygo.cc/collections/t-deck-series
How can you not need maps? That’s crazy to me
Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5
minorities are the loudest.
truth is its quite difficult to function today without a smartphone.
banks, uber, food etc etc
edit: remember iphone mini? so "many" asked for it and apple finally made it. it was a flop.
I think the iPhone mini sold 5-10 million units per year. I don't view that as a flop, and I don't think it merits sarcasm around how "many" people wanted it.
People often use this a argument against small phones like this wouldn't be amazing for any company outside apple or Samsung
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I think you should always include the iPhone SE in those numbers. It had similar dimensions, was cheaper and even more minimal. If it weren't for the SE, I would have picked a Mini right away.
Banks for what?
Uber can be done totally headless, without a screen?
Food? Get outta here.