Comment by disgruntledphd2

5 hours ago

> We really have to stop the neoliberal system that's based on ever increasing growth and externalisation of environmental impact.

Like, I too would like a pony, but we gotta live in the real world. Ultimately we need more energy of basically every carbon neutral form.

I agree that the ideology of growth at all costs is problematic, but it's how our society is structured right now, so we need to fix our current energy problems rather than bet on transforming society.

To be fair, the declining fertility rate will probably solve a bunch of environmental issues over the next few generations.

Well it's just American society that really has this so deeply ingrained that it's deemed irreversible.

Europe only turned neoliberal a few decades ago and only some countries are deeply into it like the Netherlands. Before the 90s we were much more socialist and can go back that way.

China also isn't neoliberal. They're good at playing the capitalist game but they're not afraid to pull the handbrake where needed and they are going good things for green energy.

  • > Europe only turned neoliberal a few decades ago and only some countries are deeply into it like the Netherlands. Before the 90s we were much more socialist and can go back that way.

    We all have the same financial system. Like, if you have interest bearing loans, then some amount of growth is required to pay back the principal + interest.

    I think calling it neo-liberal isn't really correct, it's fundamental to the economic system we call capitalism.