Comment by r14c
6 hours ago
Human ingenuity is creative by definition, that's where the concept arises. The burden of proof is on AI labs to prove that their models are rising to the level of actual synthesis, rather than very impressive 200-level regurgitation that looks like synthesis if you squint a bit; because the model has access to more raw data than your average sophomore student.
That goes in circles though.
Ignore the fact that we are human and thing our ingenuity is unique. Is definitionally linking human ingenuity and creativity useful when trying to compare to others?
I could say earth is habitable so any other planet must prove it is similar to earth to be habitable. That simply doesn't matter, though, if different environments could lead to similarly complex living systems regardless of atmospheric makeup, precense of liquid water, etc.
I'd argue the burden is on you to prove that the definition you propose is meaningful beyond our own hubris, rather than expecting an alternative to now have to prove that the hubris was unjustified.
> Human ingenuity is creative by definition, that's where the concept arises
Sure, but until we can turn that tautology into something more rigorous, we can't tell if the thing humans do is more or less than what some arbitrary non-human (machine, animal, or eventually perhaps alien) does.
Its not a logical tautology, we just don't have other examples. We know that even humans have to clear a well defined bar to synthesize new information. The challenge is actually proving that the LLM isn't merely surfacing obscure data. The mechanism is interesting, but not actually necessary for this exercise.