The fact that this is plausible should be deeply disturbing and disqualifying for openAI. The fact that they may prevail and win is a travesty of our failed system.
Win means being able to monetize the intelligence they have created by exploiting the past present and future collective intelligence of humanity to amass wealth and power without regard for the debt they owe
Disqualifying for what? If you develop a proof you aren’t competing for something, you’re expanding the frontier of knowledge. It’s a binary state of the world, either it’s proven or not. Prevail and win what exactly?
Disqualifying for participation in civil society and the social contract. Why do they get to participate in and receive economic benefits, be shielded from liability, and effectuate their will to amass more power and influence such as monopolization of computer, training data, capital other resources. I have multiple founder friends that have been told firms are allocating less capital because they are reserving it for the OpenAI and anthropic IPOs.
Its a capitalistic issue, not a company/technology issue.
If we would have discovered this breakthrough of LLM/ML on scale in a non capitalistic world, we would all work together advancing it faster than it goes right now for the benefit of humanity.
And I don't live forever (at least for now) i def want to see were this road is heading.
Its a conflict of interest for sure, a cnflict of the future of a lot of humans
I hear you and would have what would probably feel like pedantic push back (we are not in capitalism as much as the unchecked end result of unregulated capitalism that becomes monopolistic corporatism), but it’s hard for me to see how this would be different in mercantilism, feudalism, or even communism as the human tendency to seek and hoard resources is universal for some fraction of people so as long as that confers an advantage then AI would be used by the designers in antisocial self enrichment.
I’d love to hear more thought experiments if you have some so my failure of imagination or lack of awareness can be overcome.
The fact that this is plausible should be deeply disturbing and disqualifying for openAI. The fact that they may prevail and win is a travesty of our failed system.
What does "win" mean? There is no prize for this, and having someone discover a proof benefits us all.
The prize is a tenure for the researcher, and in OpenAI's case, a higher valuation when they IPO?
In this case, the tenure is gone, and OpenAI has increased their valuation
Win means being able to monetize the intelligence they have created by exploiting the past present and future collective intelligence of humanity to amass wealth and power without regard for the debt they owe
Sure there is. A job, tenure, professional respect, Fields medal.
Disqualifying for what? If you develop a proof you aren’t competing for something, you’re expanding the frontier of knowledge. It’s a binary state of the world, either it’s proven or not. Prevail and win what exactly?
Disqualifying for participation in civil society and the social contract. Why do they get to participate in and receive economic benefits, be shielded from liability, and effectuate their will to amass more power and influence such as monopolization of computer, training data, capital other resources. I have multiple founder friends that have been told firms are allocating less capital because they are reserving it for the OpenAI and anthropic IPOs.
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The use of supposed little ways multiple people pushed the envelope in their sessions with no attribution whatsoever.
Its a capitalistic issue, not a company/technology issue.
If we would have discovered this breakthrough of LLM/ML on scale in a non capitalistic world, we would all work together advancing it faster than it goes right now for the benefit of humanity.
And I don't live forever (at least for now) i def want to see were this road is heading.
Its a conflict of interest for sure, a cnflict of the future of a lot of humans
There's that great Ted Chiang quote: "Most of our fears about technology are better understood as fears about capitalism."
I am always looking for leftist writing imagining a positive vision for AI. Is there any which you'd recommend?
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I hear you and would have what would probably feel like pedantic push back (we are not in capitalism as much as the unchecked end result of unregulated capitalism that becomes monopolistic corporatism), but it’s hard for me to see how this would be different in mercantilism, feudalism, or even communism as the human tendency to seek and hoard resources is universal for some fraction of people so as long as that confers an advantage then AI would be used by the designers in antisocial self enrichment.
I’d love to hear more thought experiments if you have some so my failure of imagination or lack of awareness can be overcome.
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How do you know all these problems were on the precipice of being solved?
I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic
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