Comment by hackyhacky

> The first ~half of the difference is humans have a deep world model about the planet which surrounds any sensor and human sensations are pre-processed and filtered by a highly evolved bio-chemical substrate before ever reaching the higher-order cognitive processes which assign words, meaning and qualia to them.

Great, but we also build robots with world models and sensory pre-processing. So nothing you've described is unique to humans.

> I never mentioned creativity, nor would I in relation to LLMs

The topic of this thread is whether LLMs are capable of genuinely contributing "new" ideas. So if that's not the point you're trying to make, I'm not sure of the purpose of your comment.

> But neither POV seems interested in anything more than drive-by hot takes, debating over-simplistic strawmen or trading 'gotcha' hypotheticals.

I think you've oversimplfying the discussion here.

In my view, at least, both "LLMs are nothing more than stochastic parrots" and "LLMs can be as intelligent, creative, innovative (etc) as any human or all humans combined." are simultaneously true, for the simple reason that humans are stochastic parrots. Our brains learn patterns and respond to stimuli.