Comment by noduerme
5 hours ago
Not the OP. But a few things:
Firstly, in 25 years as a SWE, and 30 years as a musician and artist, I've always found conversations about tooling to be pretty boring. I'm much more interested in conversations about intentional logic and design. As in why something was implemented the way it was implemented, as opposed to how.
Intellectual communities rely on a combination of hobbyists and professionals. They discuss their tools and their results, but they also discuss the rationale for why they crafted something a certain way.
I don't define myself as only a SWE, but that's not necessary to have appreciated that intellectual community. I hate that it's disappearing.
At the same time, other intellectual communities are also disappearing down the same vast, cannibalistic maw of AI, as people stop intentionally crafting strategies, software, music, and images for themselves.
So my own answer to this would be that these communities evolved out of necessity, not because someone needed to make new friends. Join a book club, etc. just sounds like a sort of secondhand way to "find community" as if that were the original goal. There is nothing urgent about a book club, nothing that pertains to your job or your life or even your interests; it's just to make new friends and read a book. "Join a book club" is like "go to the gym". A book club is not an intellectual community in any sense resembling those which were composed of individuals creating their own things and bouncing their ideas off each other. In fact, a book club is simply a way of consuming things together.
When the creative process itself becomes pointless, all you have left are consumption-driven hobbies and clubs. It's just not the same.
Not the same as me having to tackle a really hard logic problem and asking people I respect as very smart coders for their input on how to handle it. Not the same as me spending all night for months recording an album and asking other musicians I respect for their input before I release it. Not the same as me writing a novel and giving it to other novelists before I submit it for publication.
That's what we're losing. Or, effectively, what has been stolen from us (all my code, all my novels, all my music) and re-sold by people who don't care to other people who don't care.
In an Ayn Rand sense, I'll just stop creating anything for the public, and so will everyone else who has creative ideas. The world can drown in a cesspool of regenerated slop that they stole from the people who had ideas; it's all a tower of babylon, owned by a few companies now, so you won't get very far in making any slop apps/music/writing profitable. There's no barrier to entry involving the brain now, just how much money you have (and no one will make any more money now who doesn't already have it; there will be no further upward mobility from education or effort).
No, just go join a gym, and run on a treadmill. Your input in the shape of the world is no longer needed. That's the general idea.
Thanks, I am not a musician so I found your comparison to it very interesting. I otherwise agree with everything you've said and I think the creative aspect is something that is absent from my alternate communities
What's interesting to me is that some of these communities are remaining strong despite the AI tidal wave. Although it might be my bubble. For instance, there is still a thriving art scene on instagram which has successfully demarcated itself from AI art. There is also a writing community on substack. Are there hobbyist programming communities out there that can keep the practice of human coding alive?
currently in my experience, no, there's a total collapse on the front of people making code by hand for the sake of art. In the past six months, I've begun to suspect that I might soon be the last person on the planet doing it without any AI assistance in my job. It's been a brutally fast change.