Comment by pllbnk
5 days ago
I hope more than anything Ukrainians will stay strong and persevere. Perhaps not even for themselves or their country, but just to witness the enemy collapse when it all ends. The mere fact that you are Ukrainian and live in Ukraine invokes a certain level of respect.
> Perhaps not even for themselves or their country, but just to witness the enemy collapse when it all ends.
I hope more than anything that Ukraine (and Russia, and Israel, and Palestine, and all the war-torn regions of the world) can one day be free of this ghoulish mindset, that world leaders will choose life instead of worshipping death
You're probably was lucky to be born in war-free region, so it is easy to label things as ghoulish from a position of morally concerned outsider. You was never forced to leave your homeland and become a refugee, you was not separated from your loved ones by the border of warring countries, your friends and loved ones were not killed or imprisoned by invading nazi army. And it's a good thing for yourself, but you are not in a suitable position to judge Ukrainians or Syrians or other peoples who have been through it.
Yes, I am lucky enough to not have experienced mass violence, and also I don't wish it on anyone else. I empathize (though I do not agree) with people who have experienced it, have had their souls worn down by the evil done to them, and who adopt these sorts of attitudes because of that. But there are also people who have had lives just as easy as mine, and yet, from their place of safety and comfort, they egg on war, and cheer when others get killed. I have nothing but contempt for this last group
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I lived close to Donetsk until 2022 and I totally support the "ghoulish" label. we GOTTA find the way to stop this cycle of violence and unify around something. so far, practical everyday matters such as coal and steel, or silicon, have been pretty successful at keeping another world war at bay.
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This consistent oversimplification and allergy to reading actual history and being an informed citizen is what ensures these types of wars will continue
Yeah wishing to see people who tried to torture and kill you dead is ghoulish.
It’s not ghoulish but it also perpuates a never ending cycle unfortunately- we as in each culture, man, woman are all wronged in so many ways and most have legitimate grievances and are skilled in restarting and kindling those grievances with the next batch of children..ironically religion and nationalism kindles that even further while also providing a base identity to create fellowship between its adherents
But is the only way out further death and destruction?
Blessed be the peacemakers, as they say
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on a serious note, it really is. death/execution as a punishment makes no sense. there are fates worse than death for those whose offenses we'd love to spill the blood for. Alcatraz is one such place where those fates are served.
and for crimes that are not enough to execute for, bog-standard prisons are enough. they are imperfect, but those willing to change prove themselves there, and a good one should give enough opportunities for a criminal to re-educate, reconsider some of their life choices, and rehabilitate.
punishment by death is never the right fit.
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How can you group Ukraine and Palestine in with Russia and Israel?
Russia and Israel are the countries causing the regions to be war torn. They are mass murdering invaders, no better than Nazi Germany.
The mass murdering invaders in October 2023 were Hamas.
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No. It was Russias inability to accept sovereignty of Ukraine. How is that hard to comprehend?
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Governments are a bad idea. That's the root problem. People are stupid for thinking they need a government. You don't need laws. Laws are designed to oppress. Think in your own life how many times the law harmed you vs helped you... Europe, Russia, Ukraine, USA. These concepts do not exist; they are fictions... But the fiction can kill you if you believe it; just like a schizophrenic having hallucinations; those can kill.
If the fiction doesn't benefit you; there really is no incentive for you to believe it, and you shouldn't... You can be sure it's benefiting someone else. Do you want to die for the people who created this nightmare reality?
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Let me just try to understand your position here: Ukrainians are warmongers?
What does that make the Russians?
Ordinary angle from people which needs to sound smart or have a need to relativize everything so they end up blaming the victim.
"Everybody is bad, nobody is good so then just stop bothering us with defending yourself. It would not hurt if you wouldn't even start in the first place"
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They really must hate Ukrainians.
Reading comprehension maybe? He obviously describing from their perspective.
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