Comment by gmadsen

4 days ago

Seems pretty straightforward. If you are surrounded by adversaries that vastly outnumber you, you invest in other forms of strength

Its easy to be surrounded by enemies when you keep giving them reasons to hate you.

  • Palestinians aside, what reasons do neighboring countries have to hate Israel from it's very first moment?

    A lot of the immediate neighbors attacked Israel at its birth, and further away countries just seem to hate Israel due to religion/ethnicity/populism (?), countries like Pakistan, Malaysia, etc.

    • The whole idea of Greater Israel would make anyone in the region queasy. The logic is pretty hard to dispute when Israelis claim the lang is God given. The "God given" land actually extends much farther beyond Israel's boundaries so I'd say people of those countries are rightful feel as they do.

      Like immagine if the rhetoric of Turkey was constantly talking about expanding to Greece and how the land of Greece is historically the Turks. Obviously that would make any Greek uneasy.

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    • Well, Syria and Lebanon both hold some pretty serious resentment over the recent landgrabs. With the whole "acquiring buffer zone for the buffer zone" business in former and the population expulsions in the latter.

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    • Because Israel invaded a land that had been settled by Arab Muslims for centuries, claimed a portion for itself exclusively, proceeded to ethnically cleanse an even bigger portion, all with the support of their extremely powerful western backers. Asking "why did the others hate them" is like asking "why would Europeans hate the Chinese if they had invaded, settled and ethnically cleansed half of France (with the promise of taking even more later)"?

    • Ethnically cleansing Palestine is reason enough to hate Israel. As an American I’ll add that I hate their influence on my country via bribes and blackmail, and how they strip my rights (anti-BDS laws…) and steal my tax dollars. Spying on everyone via things like the OP don’t help either.

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    • Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Moreover your account was created minutes ago. What time does your shift end?

  • It isn't really unique to Israel, though. There's conflict practically everywhere where major cultures/religions have drawn up borders, or within the backwash of fading empires (Britain, Ottomans, Soviets, French...).

    https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker

    • None of those have as much impact on Americans day to day life as Israel does.

      Lets zoom out: The whole world is about to enter a massive economic calamity, all because Americans got tricked into to electing the current knucklehead in the White House who took a ~$300 million bribe from an Israeli supporter to start this war.

      None of those other conflicts will affect the entire world as what Israel has done.

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My point is that being at war with your neighbor(s) is not a unique situation, but only Israel has acquired such an extreme abuse-through-tech slant because of it. Why?

  • My guess (not any more informed than anyone else's) is that it's because they absolutely need US support, and intelligence is one of the few things they could offer them so they invested _a lot_ into it