Comment by brendoelfrendo

4 days ago

Well, it was literally stolen in some cases, for starters.

How do you steal knowledge? Knowledge shouldn't be locked up.

  • One thing is that most if not all models more likely than not were trained on leaked Microsoft and other proprietary code sets.

    For projects like WINE or ReactOS that absolutely have to enforce hard firewalls between people with "insider knowledge" to avoid contamination and resulting legal issues, this alone makes the use of AI for coding highly problematic.

  • If you believe that, then why aren't LLMs free to use for every person on Earth?

    If you want anybody to keep making anything, including programmers, artists, and writers, you're going to have to pay them somehow.

    Anthropic and OpenAI would not have a product at all without the contributions of thousands of non-consenting humans. Yet they somehow have the gall to charge customers a premium.

  • Since that's your position -- have you ever produced proprietary software in exchange for money? How do you intend to make up for your unethical actions, if you have?

    And, how do you envision the white collar economy, which is entirely built off of selling knowledge, will operate if you get your way?

    • > And, how do you envision the white collar economy, which is entirely built off of selling knowledge, will operate if you get your way?

      It will crash and burn anyway. That kind of economy made sense before the Internet, before mobile phones made it possible to carry the entire world's knowledge in your pocket, only impeded by your ability to efficiently query the database and apply the concepts.

      Now with AI? It's even worse. AI not just can efficiently query its own knowledge dataset it was trained upon, but it can also search other databases, apply the knowledge to the input and to put the cherry on the icing, it can do so when operated in natural language. And we're not going to be able to put the genie back into the bottle, not with people being used (and able) to run open weight models on local hardware. OpenAI et al don't have any actual moat behind them, they are just making stuff a bit more convenient and are for now the cheaper way to access compute resources.

      For Western countries, the white collar economy is going down the drain, black collar (mining and other forms of dirty resource extraction) is already gone off to places that "compete" by using slave labor, and what remains of blue collar now that industry went the same way as black collar is heavily under threat because so many white collar people are fleeing towards the trades.

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