Comment by HPsquared
2 days ago
Is it really so unbelievable that a car company with access to rocket engineers, built a car with rocket engines?
2 days ago
Is it really so unbelievable that a car company with access to rocket engineers, built a car with rocket engines?
> Is it really so unbelievable
A car company that has a long history of making false claims? Are you really asking me that?
They have a long history of promising bad dates for future releases, or of exaggerating the capabilities of their ""FSD"", but they haven't rolled cars down hills or built them from styrofoam.
Ah - so people are making money from the cars doing taxi service while they sleep, are they?
And there are high-speed tunnels connecting major cities?
And that guy who saved those kids in Thailand is a pedophile?
And not a single person has died due to the USAID cuts?
Ok. Sure. I hear you. Perfectly.
They demoed a non-working demo of solar roof that was supposed to be a drop-in replacement for normal tiles with huge fanfare which turned out to be utterly impractical in real world usage and later quietly killed entirely.
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Correction: A car company that has a long history of making both true and false claims.
> Correction: A car company that has a long history of making both true and false claims.
AHAHAHAHAA... I've never heard that defense before.
"Yes, I tell lies. But not EVERYTHING I say is a lie."
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Yes, completely unbeleivable. I mainly think this because SpaceX has committed said engineers to delivering unfeasable amounts of payload to LEO/ISS, etc. Think on the order of "One succesful launch, delivery, and re-entry/recovery per day".
That is of course very very far away from reality (though, progressing to a feasable program faster than any space observers predicted.)
THat, combined with Elon signaling to investors/market that tesla no longer produces cars.....it's hard to imagine the company splitting their very, very , very over-commited engineers to a flying car. At least, they aren't commiting the point that this will be a consumer-market car, or even a halo car.
> Think on the order of "One succesful launch, delivery, and re-entry/recovery per day".
Given that they have largely relied on reusability rather than strongly ramping up production of boosters for Falcon 9, and given that they have performed 3 launches in a single day, one launch per day is clearly achievable without any further advances, and without even using Starship.
To be clear, the stated goal for Starship is one launch per hour throughout the year, which would still be a tiny number compared to, say, airline flights, but quite impressive for orbital flight.
If space-x would ever send out one Starship per hour, that would be horrendes for our atmosphere (potentially).
It would also mean nearly 900.000 tons of resources leaving earth for ever and potentially poluting our atmosphere if they have to ever reenter.
Preparing this while our planet earth has A LOT of empty space and desserts and no breakthrough in quantumslipstream or warp core tech is ridicolous dangerous for all of us :|
They're averaging 2-3 Falcon 9 launches per week. That's not 'very very far away' from one per day.
Nobody else comes close, whether considering individual companies or entire nations.
> SpaceX has committed said engineers to delivering unfeasable amounts of payload to LEO/ISS, etc. Think on the order of "One succesful launch, delivery, and re-entry/recovery per day". That is of course very very far away from reality
This is a mathematically silly assertion. Over the past decade, SpaceX has scaled their launch capacity from ~20 metric tons per year to ~2,300 metric tons per year. That's more than two orders of magnitude. It's not unreasonable to imagine that they could scale a further 0.3 orders of magnitude if there were customers willing to pay for this amount of lift.
SpaceX put more mass in orbit this year than the rest of the world combined, and you’re saying they’re not doing a good job?
Both can be true.
No contradiction between "more than everyone else combined" and "it is unfeasable to launch 36,500 metric tons per year compared to the about-2,500 tons in the last 12 months".
Especially as the working launch vehicle is getting retired and the replacement has only had one circularized orbit, and is currently behind the development pace set by the Saturn V, N1, and even the Space Shuttle.
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And for what?
Starlink alone is the biggest contributor to it. If i remember correctly it was 1000 tones before and because of starlink its 3000t
Starlink as is only has 10 million customers, borderline most of them people who can afford something like this.
And every other 9 billion human has to accept that the sky now has a lot more starlinks in orbit and astrophysics is disturbed.
I personally gain a lot more from astrophysicsi than from Starlink.
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There are legitimate question about the physics of the thing that even the most talented engineers will still come up against.
yes. unless elon himself personally is in the drivers seat while the "car" is doing all those things, it's cardboard and styrofoam.
They’re one of the leading companies developing autonomous vehicles, but their original self-driving demo was still faked.
Unbelievable? No. A company already caught lying multiple times in big fashion to whole world, never delivering FSD yet cashing in tons of money for it, plus rather mentally unstable owner to keep it polite?
Fool me once...
Tesla FSD has 1.5 million active subscriptions and is growing at 50% annually.
There are several model years that charged full price for FSD at sale and never received the necessary hardware upgrades.
>never delivering FSD yet cashing in tons of money for it,
Even if they didn’t deliver FSD, the data says they delivered something people are choosing to pay $100 per month for.
So where is that million of robotaxi? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/22/elon-musk-says-tesla-robotax...
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What you just said is: "Ok, they lied, but they're still in business!"