Comment by baggy_trough
1 day ago
Sounds entirely reasonable to me. They tried to give some credit. The main contribution is the solution that Claude came up with.
1 day ago
Sounds entirely reasonable to me. They tried to give some credit. The main contribution is the solution that Claude came up with.
Maybe someone already figured it out, but it is well covered somewhere. And Claude just used it. I wonder if we ever know for sure.
Claude seems to be fairly good at bruteforcing/testing/etc on it's own, it solved a fairly intricate thing while I was busy on other things.
I've adapted a crypto-lib for TLS connections and had a mistake during negotation that truncated some algo-selection value, worked up until the other party started trialling post-quantum algorthims that apparently had algo-id's that collided with the truncated values I was using.
Claude figured out that from the code and trialling TLS handshakes.
Besides, since there was a bounty on finding the curve it seems unlikely that someone would've found out and not shared that? (unless working at a security service that figured out that it was possible to attack?)
I wonder if Claude does the brute-forcing directly. I think what's more likely is that Claude is synthesising programs that brute-force, albeit with interesting heuristics.
Wouldn't they have claimed the bounty?
If they thought it to be backdoor, why not sell for some other believer who pays more than the bounty? But anyway, not everyone is after money and fame.
> The main contribution is the solution that Claude came up with.
That's an argument that must be infuriating to all researchers who ever published a paper on that topic, because most likely Claude was trained with all of them.
I suppose so, but it's still the case.
How is that any different from a human that learned from another researcher or paper?
> That's an argument that must be infuriating to all researchers who ever published a paper on that topic, because most likely Claude was trained with all of them.
When do we call it the right time to stop with the pitchforks, torches and selfish tendencies and accept that many papers published were used to help train a tool that brings discoveries to light for the entirety of humanity to benefit?
Now?
About the same time we accept that capitalism is the best economic system possible and that banks and the stock market create value for the common man.
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