Comment by mtlmtlmtlmtl

2 days ago

I'll never understand this point. It's not as though that slogan is the entirety of OpenBSDs security posture. It's just a damn slogan, but OpenBSD naysayers will never stop talking about it.

And no, OpenBSD is not the most secure OS out there, and very few serious people claim it is. What OpenBSD is, is the most secure option if you want a simple, no bullshit, well documented unix that can still run on obscure legacy hardware using a potato as your RAM. As such, when you actually compare it to other options in that space, I would say it is the most secure. They care about security very deeply, but they do it within that context. So yes, they still use C, because they need to compile on a bunch of dead platforms. And OpenBSD is never gonna be something like Qubes because Qubes needs things like VT-D and a boatload of memory/cores, it's never gonna be GrapheneOS because they can't rely on having MTE, TPM, etc. And that's fine.

They also deserve a lot of credit for contributions to the wider ecosystem as well. Just to give one example, making sure the OS can provide high quality entropy in all contexts with arc4random, which eventually percolated to FreeBSD, Linux, and even MacOS.

But sure, keep talking about the two holes if you want.

>And no, OpenBSD is not the most secure OS out there, and very few serious people claim it is.

My beef is that lots of uninformed people have been bamboozled into thinking it is more secure than it really is.

>But sure, keep talking about the two holes if you want.

Thanks for the go-ahead, I probably will.

  • To the point someone has made a talk validating the marketing with the actual reality,

    "A systematic evaluation of OpenBSD's mitigations"

    > OpenBSD markets itself as a secure operating system, but doesn't provide much evidences to back this claim. The goal of this talk is to evaluate how effective OpenBSD's security mitigation are, in a systematic, rational and comprehensive way.

    https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10519-a_systematic_evaluation_of...

    • >> someone has made a talk validating the marketing with the actual reality

      That was as of 6.6, circa 2019, to be clear. I'd be interested in what they would have to say about 7.9 at present.