Comment by tensor
1 day ago
State support has nothing to do with anything. Also, in practice the EU has its deepseek equivalent model in Mistral.
1 day ago
State support has nothing to do with anything. Also, in practice the EU has its deepseek equivalent model in Mistral.
China grants up to 200% tax deduction on intangible assets acquired through R&D. Means your spending on AI training fees becomes a tax return amount or like appears as a magical donation deductible on the books. I don't know if DeepSeek is benefiting from exactly such a system, but that's generally how aggressively China seeks its advantages in high tech R&D.
Nobody else is or has been that aggressive. France on a Monday morning would be like $10b for Mistral in 3 years, and that'll be it. China is like $10b every year for 5 top companies for 5 years. Not necessarily to say such an all-in-doubling-down-always moves would be necessary or correct, but there is that kind of substantial funding disparity between China and the rest of the world.
> China grants up to 200% tax deduction on intangible assets acquired through R&D. Means your spending on AI training fees becomes a tax return amount or like appears as a magical donation deductible on the books.
This is misleading. Deduction reduces taxable income and does not provide tax return. E.g. if your taxable income is $1000 and you spent $100 on R&D and qualify for those 200%, $800 will be taxed.
Although you can often take losses from a previous year to offset current income. So if you do a huge amount of capital investment you can offset against profits for years.
Thanks for adding that, still very interesting idea. Perhaps this >100% tax deduction could eventually be applied to human labor to help incentivize employment and subsidize it with automation profits.
I understand Mistral compared to DeepSeek Flash is less intelligent, late, more expensive, and a third of the speed.
Equivalent might be stretching it.
The latest Mistral preview already matches Deepseek and it's not even finished its training yet. But please do continue.
That was my understanding, and I wasn't aware such a preview exists.
Feel free to share details.
I'm positively surprised there is a new model from Mistral already.
My teenage son summarized Mistral in one sentence:
"Mistral is so bad, it's the only model my school doesn't bother to block"
never seen anyone using Mistral's models.
I have.
> Also, in practice the EU has its deepseek equivalent model in Mistral.
In practice, European companies don’t use Mistral.
First acknowledge the reality, then we can propose solutions.
It is actually not unrealistic to imagine laws for eu gov software only to allow Mistral or Aleph alpha models. They are pretty good - on par with deepseek atleast. There are all kinds of similar requirements already from software stacks to databases.
What I would see even more likely are requirements of no agent commits, use of only human written/vetted code under their name.
> on par with deepseek atleast
For chatbot-style usage maybe, can’t really attest to that; for long-running, long-context “agentic” work including planning, within a harness etc., definitely not (yet).
> What I would see even more likely are requirements of no agent commits, use of only human written/vetted code under their name.
I mean in the end that’s what the Kernel project does now, IIRC? Everything has to have a response human’s sign-off.