Comment by tancop

17 hours ago

It's not justified and it can never be. Keeping information secret is only justified if releasing it would put a person in serious danger or compromise a police/military operation. And even then it must be balanced against the public interest in transparency, strictly time limited and narrow scoped (no blacking out whole documents).

I don't see how releasing an interpretation of a law could ever compromise law enforcement. Or actually I know how, it's because it would prove the way they do mass surveillance is illegal.

The problem is modern America doesn't see it that way. Any time the government does something evil they just say it's for "national security" and no one questions them. It's like a Winter Soldier password that makes courts go blank and say yes to anything.

I feel the role of the Press is to root out these stories and publish them.

To me the defining moment of the Press abdicating their job was when the NYTs reported the second gulf war. This was the end of me reading it. The Sunday times was staple reading growing up.

https://newrepublic.com/article/146481/new-york-times-bury-s...

https://fair.org/home/20-years-later-nyt-still-cant-face-its...

  • Press increasingly started abdicating their job when journalism was no longer financially independent of the people and institutions it is supposed to scrutinize.

> Keeping information secret is only justified if releasing it would put a person in serious danger or compromise a police/military operation.

Sure, but the obvious pro-government response is “revealing that the government is doing bad things reflects badly on the government and damages its reputation at home and abroad.”

Which is true, of course!

  • > “revealing that the government is doing bad things reflects badly on the government and damages its reputation at home and abroad.”

    This is -incidentally- how the ancient English "state secrets privilege" got introduced into US law.

    In the 1940's, godawful maintenance resulted in the crash of a bomber over US soil and the death of all three of the civilians on board the plane. The widows of the dead civilians sued the government and demanded the accident report. The government refused to provide the report, claiming the privilege because "national security", and courts all the way up to the Supreme Court agreed.

    In the early 2000s, the accident report was declassified. Inspection revealed that the only real reason to refuse to release it was to both prevent government embarrassment and to avoid having to pay out -IIRC- nearly a quarter million in 1940's USD to the widows.

    Given its enormous potential for unchecked abuse, along with the fact that the first ever invocation of it was abusive, courts should refuse to permit its use.

    • There is also a genuine case for National security in that - during the Second World War - releasing that information would (IMO) let the enemy know what maintenance was being held back, in bombers.

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  • This seems fairly obvious, clearly vast amounts of possible wrongdoing, once exposed, could genuinely damage reputation abroad to some degree.

    So how did such a law ever survive scrutiny?

    It seems like a blanket ban on exposure of nearly all possible wrongdoing.

    • > It seems like a blanket ban on exposure of nearly all possible wrongdoing.

      And a proportional increase in power goes with that ban on exposing wrongdoing. Which is absolutely the goal of secrecy in government.