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Comment by pcarolan

12 years ago

Makes me wish average joe could buy spacex stock. Willing investors shouldnt have to be elite or accredited. Just believers and supporters of a better future.

Most companies that raise money by other means than publicly trading stock frankly don't want the head ache of dealing with shareholders.

A company like SpaceX can raise all the money they need from a small number of like minded investors. It saves them the hassle of dealing with thousands of shareholders with their own risk tolerances, investment goals, etc.

  • And once you exceed a certain number of shareholders, you are subject to nearly the same reporting requirement as a publicly traded company anyway, so you get the downsides without the upsides.

That's all well-and-good for SpaceX but it proved to be pretty catastrophic for the dozens of pump-and-dumps that bankrupted many Americans when we tried that previously.

  • We don't use legal mechanisms to protect citizens from an endless myriad of things, many which are much more dangerous than investing in private startups. This is really a way to keep the proles out of the good investments. It's infuriating and unjust that the wealthy have more rights.

    • > It's infuriating and unjust that the wealthy have more rights.

      No they don't have more rights. There is nothing preventing you from creating your own private company and sell equities only to poor people.

      It's like people having a party and not inviting you. You can be frustrated about it, but please don't start whining about them violating your rights or anything. Just as people have the right not to invite you to their daughter's birthday party, they have the right not to do business with you.

      Doing things in private association is a right everybody has, regardless of wealth.

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  • Certainly there's that risk. But saying that only millionaire's are 'smart enough' to invest in private companies seems worse.

    • It's not about whether they're smart or not - it's that a multimillionaire can lose a bunch of money on a private company and not be out their retirement savings. That's not nearly as true for the typical middle class person.

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  • So has putting it all on black in Vegas, alcohol, and any other number of statistically proven vices. At least investment has some measure of upside. But yeah, I'd like the $n trillion in debt government tell me how to manage my money.

    • The government that is able to borrow money at an interest rate lower than inflation? Yeah, they probably could tell you (and me) a thing or two about how to manage money.

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  • Sounds good in theory, but nowadays what happens is companies go public when they are fully valued, making them ripe for collapse when insiders take advantage of the liquidity to exit positions. When companies go public early, opportunities are created for retail investors to make huge money (AOL, Dell, Amazon, Walmart to name a few examples). Now it's like, you get to buy at the very top and it's for your own good. horaaaaay

    • If you believe that then short some of these companies. I agree the game can be a little rigged but there is still massive opportunity to invest well on the open market.

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You can buy Google as a proxy. A poor proxy but proxy nonetheless. The "plus" side is Google might make similar investments in other ventures like this so your bet on space is more diversified.

  • Tesla would be a more direct proxy surely. (A $1B investment is about 0.3% of Google's total value.)

    • Except that Tesla as far as I know has no ownership in SpaceX, while Google now does. My interpretation is that the OP is not just looking for an investment in Elon Musk, but specifically in his space venture.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see SpaceX do an IPO in the future. I'll definitely buy in even if I would do that as a kind of kick-starter rather than for the potential return.