Comment by ristlane
2 years ago
I’m very pro-Palestinian. That’s yet another reason why I want Hamas gone. There’s no chance for social justice while terrorists are running the show.
2 years ago
I’m very pro-Palestinian. That’s yet another reason why I want Hamas gone. There’s no chance for social justice while terrorists are running the show.
What do you think about the historical evidence of Netanyahu promoting Hamas for this very reason?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
Anyway, we can make a similar argument about the Netanyahu regime: it is actively making Jewish, Israeli, and American people around the world less safe. It is almost treasonous that our elected officials are supporting this dangerous regime so uncritically.
> almost treasonous
It's fully treasonous imo. Has been since Biden repeated the "beheaded babies" lie twice, even against the express disapproval of his own staff.
If the conditions in Gaza continue as they have for multiple generations now, the eradication of Hamas will just beget the founding a different group with the same approach, or near to.
The conditions in Gaza are the result of Hamas and similar groups. Israel ended their occupation of Gaza twenty years ago and dragged Israelis out. Israel invested in Gaza infrastructure, but Hamas ripped it out and used it to make weapons. Israel allowed Gazans to work in Israel, who then told Hamas where to attack. Israel tried ceasefire after ceasefire, but Hamas just sent suicide bombers and rockets. And when as a result Israel tightened their border and built the Iron Dome, people say they're in the wrong. Those same people also never think about why Egypt also has a tight border with Gaza.
Israel has a land, air and sea blockade on Gaza. The residents of Gaza are second generation refugees from the cities that Israel ethnically cleansed in Nakba in 1948. Israel also bombed Gaza's only airport. Israel has routinely murdered, sniped, arrested and abused all forms of non-violent protest such as the March of Return.
4 replies →
Whatever the reasons for the conditions, you have a large population of people who lack control of their own fate. Historically, those populations don't quiet down and accept it.
Egypt has a tight border because Israel has a history of launching retalitory strikes against neighboring nations from which terrorist cells originated.
5 replies →
Hamas will only end along with the Zionist occupation.
How does this work out? Let's say Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?
> Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?
Obviously it does not. There is a difference, however, between giving Hamas everything they want and giving Palestinians absolutely nothing, ever. Pulling back settlements and occupation from the Fatah-dominated West Bank would be a start.
It doesn’t automatically. But it can’t happen until the occupation ends. And ultimately Hamas gained prominence precisely because of the occupation which destroyed all other groups with any influence.
5 replies →
To be clear, you mean the entire nation of Israel, correct?
The end result is up to the Palestinian people. All demand right of return and ending apartheid. Some want that done through the abolishing of Israel entirely, others through land swaps that allow two states to exist. What actually happens will depend on the relative balance of forces at the time.
1 reply →
[flagged]
By your logic, any peoples defeated in warfare and kicked off lands are justified to commit murder, rape, to pillage, and to kidnap occupiers.
In America that would include hundreds of Native American tribes today whose descendants could resist that way against Americans, yes?
The Native Americans definitely had the right to fight back against occupation and did famously on many occasions. Sadly they were successfully ethnically cleansed from the land.
The Palestinians are 75 years into the process of colonization and ethnic cleansing. They are actively resisting, as would anyone.
2 replies →
[dead]