Lord Ismay, the first Secretary General of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), reportedly observed that the purpose of the Alliance was to keep the Americans in Europe, the Russians out, and the Germans down.
Even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that Ukraine "was flirting with NATO". Why does that justify an invasion? Why do you think Ukraine or NATO or the US are at fault here?
Accepting that trying to get closer to NATO justifies this invasion, usually with the term "legitimate Russian security interests" denies Ukrainian sovereignty. Russia does not have the right to impose its will on its neighbours.
> Even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that Ukraine "was flirting with NATO". Why does that justify an invasion? Why do you think Ukraine or NATO or the US are at fault here?
Read up on Cuban missile crisis, it might provide some context.
You might want to take your own advice, because Cuba is the opposite of the example you're trying to make. The Cuban missile crisis was about nuclear weapons only. Cuba continued to host Soviet fighters, bombers, missile cruisers and many other conventional weapons until the dissolution of the USSR in 1991 - far, far beyond what any NATO member has seen after the Cold War, let alone potential candidates like Ukraine or Georgia.
> but after multiple warnings and casus belli about Ukraine not flirting with NATO
Putin invaded in 2014 after Ukraine deposed of their dictator over his failure to commit to EU alignment, the Nato stuff is a post-hoc excuse developed by the Russian government. This isn't about Nato it's about Putin being afraid of having working democracies next door.
Ukraine a working democracy ? Before the war it was one of the most corrupt countries in the European continent.
And by applying just a tiny bit of realism, is it feasible for a country right next to a colossal power to have independence ? Do all the small countries south of the US enjoy independence ?
Moscow is ruled by idiots. The war in Ukraine was perhaps the largest own goal of the millennium, ahead of Brexit and possibly right behind—worst case—the Iraq War.
> is it feasible for a country right next to a colossal power to have independence ?
Yes. Literally how alliances have worked since the Bronze Age.
Lord Ismay, the first Secretary General of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), reportedly observed that the purpose of the Alliance was to keep the Americans in Europe, the Russians out, and the Germans down.
https://www.nato.int/acad/conf/future95/rodman.htm
Even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that Ukraine "was flirting with NATO". Why does that justify an invasion? Why do you think Ukraine or NATO or the US are at fault here?
Accepting that trying to get closer to NATO justifies this invasion, usually with the term "legitimate Russian security interests" denies Ukrainian sovereignty. Russia does not have the right to impose its will on its neighbours.
> Even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that Ukraine "was flirting with NATO". Why does that justify an invasion? Why do you think Ukraine or NATO or the US are at fault here?
Read up on Cuban missile crisis, it might provide some context.
No superpower has the right to impose its will on its neighbours, yet here we are : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
You might want to take your own advice, because Cuba is the opposite of the example you're trying to make. The Cuban missile crisis was about nuclear weapons only. Cuba continued to host Soviet fighters, bombers, missile cruisers and many other conventional weapons until the dissolution of the USSR in 1991 - far, far beyond what any NATO member has seen after the Cold War, let alone potential candidates like Ukraine or Georgia.
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> but after multiple warnings and casus belli about Ukraine not flirting with NATO
Putin invaded in 2014 after Ukraine deposed of their dictator over his failure to commit to EU alignment, the Nato stuff is a post-hoc excuse developed by the Russian government. This isn't about Nato it's about Putin being afraid of having working democracies next door.
Ukraine a working democracy ? Before the war it was one of the most corrupt countries in the European continent.
And by applying just a tiny bit of realism, is it feasible for a country right next to a colossal power to have independence ? Do all the small countries south of the US enjoy independence ?
> Ukraine a working democracy ?
Straw man.
Moscow is ruled by idiots. The war in Ukraine was perhaps the largest own goal of the millennium, ahead of Brexit and possibly right behind—worst case—the Iraq War.
> is it feasible for a country right next to a colossal power to have independence ?
Yes. Literally how alliances have worked since the Bronze Age.
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You're totally forgetting Putin's imperialistic motives.
Proof: Finland and Sweden joined NATO and Putin didn't care.