Comment by boelboel
19 days ago
Secularism, changes in 'christianity' in the US. I'm not some christian nationalist but I do believe changes in values allowed Amazon to do this. Maybe I'm wrong and people will end up going against this in the long term. The 'christian' view of this behaviour didn't come from a vacuum. My biggest worry is the passivity/docile nature of people nowadays can't bring such change.
Looking at it through a religious lens is pretty narrow-minded. Secular people have values too. You're limiting your ability to understand the world around you.
I would reckon looking at these kinds of things through religious lenses is actually VERY useful.
I don't follow sportsball, but there are masses of population and massive institutions that are built upon for and on sportsball.
So, seeing large changes or shifts within sportsball can be useful in gleaning some sort of trend.
While, I don't fully follow the gp comment, I can see the other side of yours.
It's more like following astrology - entirely irrelevant to reality.
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Some secular people have values, I don't think religious people are saints. Secular people however don't have a framework to 'force' others with supposed values to adhere to them. I don't believe it's narrow minded to believes changes in religion might have an effect on things, the way people follow their religion is influenced by external factors, don't see why it wouldn't be the other way around as well. Atheists are quite new we'll see what happens.
You are deeply mistaken as to roots of this culture difference. There many highly religious cultures which absolutely lack the "social agreement" framework. The real reason why "social agreement" countries exist is feudalism. Feudal structure of power was the second on this planet (after ancient Greece, but that culture had been exterminated) to allow bidirectional agreements between kings and wealthy nobles. The only countries which managed to preserve this tradition unbroken were European ones, NA colonized by the Europeans and Japan which had societal structure close enough to adopt this culture without big changes and who later transferred them to its own colonies in Korea and Taiwan. And that about all countries valuing "social agreement". This is not because of religion or lack of it, it because of the accident - not being conquered by a despotic empire in the middle ages.
> Atheists are quite new
What ever you're smoking, I'd like to try. A break from reality sounds nice right now.
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Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. (John Adams)