If you look around at the country, you will see that the top echelons of wealth and power are held by a mix of christians and jews, if we divide it by religion. Further, the israel lobby does not equal jews, it equals the israel lobby. Currently christians dominate all branches of government. It would take a biased, dishonest analysis to conclude that jews as a group are in control.
i am confident that all the other “how many” stereotypes you have in mind are bullshit too, and have other cultural, historical, contextual explanations, just like every stereotype of every group.
You're right, the Israeli lobby does not equal Jews, but support for Israel is almost universal amongst Jews. It doesn't equal but it's strongly connected.
okay but your comment about antisemitic stereotypes having a grain of truth is a nonsequitur. the stereotypes dont exist because of truth, they exist because of bigotry. whether or not they overlap with current circumstances is irrelevant. if you look at the reality of who holds power in society you will not find that its exclusively - or even mainly - jews unless you set out to selectively ignore all of the numerous christian leaders and power centers
Like what? The stereotype that black people are more criminal has a grain of truth? I wouldn't say that at all. Can you give us an example?
I have never until now wondered that a negative stereotype of people has a grain of truth. If you believe that's commonplace, maybe you're the racist and are projecting?
If you know anything about the $group lobby in the USA, and you think that the stereotype that "they $stereotype" doesn't have a grain of truth, I'd like to hear why.
"antisemitism" is such a weird buzzword. Is it being against speakers of the Semitic lanuage group? Against being against the "Semitic race"?
Every quantifiable definition I've managed to find seems to effectively be a synonym for 'Middle Eastern', which is a little ironic.
Also interesting reading that 'Semite' apparently stems from a biblical classification of race. Are people really getting worked up against sons of mythical beings?
Trying to claim that "anti-Semitism" is a "weird buzzword" with no quantifiable definition is peak sophistry. The fact that Semite has a broader definition than the way it's used when we say "anti-Semite" is irrelevant; we all know – I know, you know, the dictionary knows – what is meant when someone says "anti-Semitism." Don't waste your time or mine by being a pedantic fuck trying to argue the etymology and applications of the word, this isn't high school debate class.
No they shouldn't, because American Koreans are for the most part very anti-DPRK and American Chinese are very anti-CPP.
American Jews are very pro-Israel and donate heavily to politicians promoted by the Israeli lobby so it's less of a stretch to suggest that they might be aligned.
There are tons of Jewish people are against Bibi's government for a long time.
These kind of generalizations for average citizens are so dangerous. Today you are racists again Jewish group, tomorrow someone will do the same to other races.
If you look around at the country, you will see that the top echelons of wealth and power are held by a mix of christians and jews, if we divide it by religion. Further, the israel lobby does not equal jews, it equals the israel lobby. Currently christians dominate all branches of government. It would take a biased, dishonest analysis to conclude that jews as a group are in control.
i am confident that all the other “how many” stereotypes you have in mind are bullshit too, and have other cultural, historical, contextual explanations, just like every stereotype of every group.
You're right, the Israeli lobby does not equal Jews, but support for Israel is almost universal amongst Jews. It doesn't equal but it's strongly connected.
The staunchest antizionists tend to be Jews. Pretty sure there are more self-professed Christian zionists living in America than Jewish zionists too.
It behooves everyone to stop equating antizionism with antisemitism, because doing that actually breeds the latter.
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okay but your comment about antisemitic stereotypes having a grain of truth is a nonsequitur. the stereotypes dont exist because of truth, they exist because of bigotry. whether or not they overlap with current circumstances is irrelevant. if you look at the reality of who holds power in society you will not find that its exclusively - or even mainly - jews unless you set out to selectively ignore all of the numerous christian leaders and power centers
You can say that about every stereotype on every group of people.
Congratulations: you have (re)discovered racism.
Like what? The stereotype that black people are more criminal has a grain of truth? I wouldn't say that at all. Can you give us an example?
I have never until now wondered that a negative stereotype of people has a grain of truth. If you believe that's commonplace, maybe you're the racist and are projecting?
If you know anything about the $group lobby in the USA, and you think that the stereotype that "they $stereotype" doesn't have a grain of truth, I'd like to hear why.
> Does anybody else think it's interesting how many of Jewish stereotypes have a grain of truth?
No, but I'm not an anti-Semite (sorry, "anti-Zionist" is the new term, right?) who gives any kind of a shit about this kind of thing
"antisemitism" is such a weird buzzword. Is it being against speakers of the Semitic lanuage group? Against being against the "Semitic race"?
Every quantifiable definition I've managed to find seems to effectively be a synonym for 'Middle Eastern', which is a little ironic.
Also interesting reading that 'Semite' apparently stems from a biblical classification of race. Are people really getting worked up against sons of mythical beings?
Trying to claim that "anti-Semitism" is a "weird buzzword" with no quantifiable definition is peak sophistry. The fact that Semite has a broader definition than the way it's used when we say "anti-Semite" is irrelevant; we all know – I know, you know, the dictionary knows – what is meant when someone says "anti-Semitism." Don't waste your time or mine by being a pedantic fuck trying to argue the etymology and applications of the word, this isn't high school debate class.
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This kind statements are so ridiculous. Should American Koreans be lumped together with DPRK? Should American Chinese be grouped with CCP?
The foreign government is not related to your average citizens regardless of the race in principle.
No they shouldn't, because American Koreans are for the most part very anti-DPRK and American Chinese are very anti-CPP.
American Jews are very pro-Israel and donate heavily to politicians promoted by the Israeli lobby so it's less of a stretch to suggest that they might be aligned.
American evangelical christians are just as pro Israel if not moreso as a group. But somehow you don’t blame them
There are tons of Jewish people are against Bibi's government for a long time.
These kind of generalizations for average citizens are so dangerous. Today you are racists again Jewish group, tomorrow someone will do the same to other races.
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