Comment by giancarlostoro
7 days ago
That's nice and all, but I would not get hired in many places that are heavily regulated and risk adverse, and would not hire someone who swears by said models because there is no trust in their creators not training for malicious intent, a random tool call here and there, and you've got a "open weight model" that can send your code anywhere.
There's just no trust in a country that is digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people. Do people ever look at the full sized Tianamen Square photos? This is not even the photo of the many people on the ground who were killed by their government and it is still insane to look at.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dgua6k/the_full_tiana...
> There's just no trust in a country that is digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people.
Are you referring to USA, China or EU here?
What you personally believe and perception within the United States are not the same thing.
The US is most definitely hostile towards its own people, and we also have the most comprehensive surveillance apparatus in the world. On par with, if not more extensive than, China.
People largely can't protest here right now, and US citizens are being killed. People are being sent to work camps in countries where laws do not apply. And our leadership is, right now, priming the American people for when they reject the results of future elections. Not to mention everybody involved in the last attempted coup was pardoned - after we were told that our current leadership had nothing to do with the coup.
The state of the US is much more dire than most people are letting on. And it's understandable why. Nobody likes bad news, and we all like to believe things will be okay. All I know is I can't take my phone into the airport. I can't go out and protest without risking my life and freedom. I can't drive anywhere without my location being tracked and logged. And, if I get pulled over, I must comply with any order, no matter how unlawful, otherwise I risk being executed in the street.
Some of these things have been going on for a while, and some are new. But all are real.
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hopefully all of the above?
at some point the conversation has to go past this reflexive "USA uses tech abusively -> but look at how abusive China is with tech -> ..." back-and-forth to acknowledging that neither party is your savior -- and then (hopefully) acting upon and coordinating around that understanding.
And how is US doing on digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people?
In practical terms you could get US and Chinese models to review each other, right. Depends what your use case is. Coding is kinda not so bad it is reviewable and immutable/traceable per commit. An AI app that is like a psychologist or something may be more worrying.
> And how is US doing on digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people?
Seemingly better than everywhere else in the world, including where I live (Canada). Whataboutism doesn't really work when you use the least bad option as an example.
And whatever can be said about the US, at least with democracy you get a chance to fire the leadership every four years (or even sooner the closer you to the place you live!).
Are you familiar with the flock camera situation in the States? The American surveillance state has rapidly been getting worse with the help of this technology.
Whataboutism moniker doesn't apply when the context is "avoid Chinese models because China commits crimes against humanity" and context is also "Top sota models for useful work are created by, let's list them all: US and China". If the argument is don't use Chinese models because China is hostile then let's say "The USA.... Objection: Relevance? Overruled".
US is less hostile in the day to day sense, but they could look at your cloud data at any time because say someone in your company protested and exercised their 1A right, and the government didn't like that, so that sort of thing tracks directly to secrecy and privacy guarantees I might want from models.
I personally don't worry for my sloperating but if I ran a large company's AI I might consider it. Esp if in Europe.
Thanks, this is the first time i see these photos http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html