Comment by epolanski

17 hours ago

What does it entail, in practice?

They are sanctioned, okay, and? What happens practically.

US sanctions mean if you trade with the santioned org.. YOU get sanctioned (lose access to trade or financial systems controlled by US or US companies like Visa)

They will become pariahs financially speaking. Nobody will be authorized to wire money to/from them. It's brutal.

  • > Nobody

    In the USA - the consequences should be only related to USA pertinent actors. The newspapers in Italy say, "there is no judgement against them in Italy".

If you donate to them from the US, you probably get put on a no-fly list at a minimum. Maybe even a friendly visit from the feds at your home!

The consequences may include the loss of:

  • Bank accounts and payment processing.
  • U.S.-linked donations and fundraising services.
  • Hosting, cloud infrastructure and upstream network services.
  • Domain registration and related technical services.
  • Certificate, security and email-delivery accounts.
  • Software and communications services.
  • Relationships with non-U.S. providers frightened by American secondary   sanctions.
  • Access for people in the United States who currently use A/I’s services.

https://www.wewillfreeus.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defe...

  • My question now is whether European hosting providers sprouting up in the face of the US CLOUD act will step up to provide those services.

    • No, because they don't want to be banned from banks. With few exceptions, the US has power over all global financial systems. Also tier 1 ISPs (even the European ones), which trickles down to all ISPs.