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21 hours ago
Crikey it’s a pretty charitable vibe given the whole Navier-Stokes thing, OpenAI trying to stiff him out of co-authorship. I guess any of that sentiment is outweighed by a sense of optimism for where this goes
21 hours ago
Crikey it’s a pretty charitable vibe given the whole Navier-Stokes thing, OpenAI trying to stiff him out of co-authorship. I guess any of that sentiment is outweighed by a sense of optimism for where this goes
Where does it go? Machines owned by 10 people robbing us of the joy of discovery and the fruits of our labor... for what?
They certainly arent going to give you that cure for cancer, if it were to ever come.
> Where does it go? Machines owned by 10 people robbing us of the joy of discovery and the fruits of our labor... for what?
For what? So some guys can be richer and more powerful. What could possibly be more important than themselves? You? Your future? We're nothing, and have been told to be excited and curious about our coming obsolescence and powerlessness.
Seriously, what's special about oncology that convinces you there will be no progress?
I think gp was saying they'd never give it to you, not that they'd never make progress.
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What makes you think we'll be able to afford them? You won't be making any money anymore, hope you've saved up!
> Machines owned by 10 people robbing us of the joy of discovery and the fruits of our labor... for what?
This happened to software engineers already. Mathematics isn't special.
Mathematics has it slightly worse, since math is a "closed system" that does not require running experiments, talking to customers, etc.
That said the software folks can teach the math folks a thing or two when it comes to dealing with grief I am sure.
You don’t want to see Elon get to 100 trillion and start a sex slave colony on Mars? What are you crazy?
> They certainly arent going to give you that cure for cancer, if it were to ever come.
Conspiracy bullshit. You cannot keep something like an effective cure for cancer under wraps. There is no plausible logic how that would not leak sooner or later.
The information needed to build a basic nuclear explosive device is rather easily available. Now go build one.
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Knowing is the easy part. An effective cure for cancer will probably be a procedure where you get your tumors sequenced, an AI model considers the unique genetic context and creates a specific treatment. Think CAR-T cell therapy or mRNA vaccines. Then this needs to be manufactured.
All of this means you will need to be rich or have your country invest lots of money into health care systems. In a world where humans don't provide economic value anymore, why would that be?
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Trying to slow down this for the joy of discovery is a deeply anti-intellectual position. I think that position is similar to when everyday people get mad about the minor spending on the NSF, picking apart people who study beetles on Fox News with no context etc.
There are real safety concerns with AI that can be made very convincingly though.
I think I would feel a lot better if it wasn't a $15 million cannon being fired from a silicon tower inside of the labs across vast swathes of fertile ground that would otherwise be used to train budding mathematicians. For instance, if it was the budding mathematicians themselves who were making these discoveries using their own tools.
I feel something about human nature makes us treat joy of discovery, status, etc. as a source of energy and motivation. I hope we'll find other ways to keep some "strategic intellectual reserve" of mathematicians alive.
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I never said they are trying. They already have.
>OpenAI trying to stiff him out of co-authorship
Did that actually happen? The emails that were originally released had OpenAI refusing to list him as a coauthor on OpenAI's paper but they suggested he should release what he already had done ahead of OpenAI's release. There was certainly nothing to suggest he should be robbed of credit for his own work.
Has anything new come to light since, or is this just another game of Chinese whispers?
And if he did release what he had, I imagine OpenAI would probably have cited him in their paper.
They refused to put him as a coauthor; which is… standard practice, because he wasn’t a coauthor.
I don't see a sense of optimism in this quote.
He's comparing it to "lot of incredible developments". Clearly he thinks this is one too!
Yes, it is incredible. But that doesn't mean it is cause for optimism.
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